In the third (and final) version of our thought experiment, we’re going to add a few “dilithium” crystals to Shirley’s engines so she can crank her speed up to exactly 299,999 kilometers per second, just one kilometer below the speed of light. By now, you’re familiar with the drill. At the exact instant Shirley passes over you, as you lie motionless on the ground, George will flick his searchlight on and off. Both you and George will measure the time for the light pulse to travel up and down Shirley’s shaft. You’ll record your times, and repeat the exercise over and over, until you both get a stable average. Luckily, your stopwatches are smart, so they help by automatically subtracting your brain processing time, and in addition, your stopwatch automatically subtracts the time for the pulse to travel from Shirley’s transparent floor back to your eyes.
Last week, when Shirley was going “only” 150,000 kilometers a second, your stopwatch registered about three tenths of a second more for the light pulse to complete its journey than George’s. Today, with Shirley moving almost twice as fast (and as some owls guessed last week), a perfectly reasonable conjecture would be that the delay is going to be about twice as big, or just over 0.6 seconds. Consequently, when you and George start the first measurement, you go in still expecting to see the light pulse only a little later than he does.
But, that doesn’t happen! You don’t see the flash after 2.6 seconds. You don’t see it after twenty-six seconds. You don’t even see it after two hundred and fifty seconds! As the time keeps mounting, you start to panic, worried that you’ve somehow missed the flash and spoiled the experiment. Just as you’re ready to call the whole thing quits, lo and behold, you finally do see it! Breathlessly, you look down at the time as measured on your stopwatch, and see seven hundred and seventy-five seconds have passed. Almost 13 minutes!
13 minutes? For the first time since you started this whole crazy time measurement gig, you have serious trouble believing the outcome of your own experiment. How can a two second event take 13 minutes? Your sense of disbelief persists as you and George perform the measurement again and again, only to confirm: two seconds for him; hundreds of seconds for you.
To make sense of this result, we have to go back to – where else – Pythagoras. In the one second it takes the light flash to go from the searchlight to Shirley’s mirrored ceiling, in George’s world, Shirley has been racing away along a line stretching off to your right at 299,999 kilometers per second. Geometrically, after one second Shirley’s movement has created a Line B that’s 299,999 kilometers long. Eager to find out how much distance 299,999 kilometers adds to the length of the all-important Line A, the line that traces out the path the light pulse takes from your perspective, you frantically crunch through the familiar Pythagorean calculations. I’ll spare you the numerical details: Line A turns out to be 424,263 kilometers long (a full 124,263 kilometers longer than Line C, which is the path the light pulse takes for George). The resulting triangle is shown below.
After one second of George’s time, his light pulse has reached the ceiling, and is about to start the journey back. After one second of your time, the light pulse has also covered 300,000 kilometers (light travels at the same speed for everybody), but since it has to travel up the diagonal of the right-angle triangle, it has 124,263 extra kilometers to go before it reaches the ceiling.
That’s a lot of extra distance, owls. It’s about 10 times the diameter of the Earth. Even traveling at 300,000 kilometers per second, 124,263 kilometers is going to take the pulse a little less than half a second - 0 .414 seconds to be exact - to traverse. In 0.414 seconds, though, Shirley, zipping along at a constant 299,999 kilometers per second, extends Line B by an additional 124,262 kilometers (0.414 times 299,999). By the Pythagorean theorem, that, in turn, lengthens Line A by a further 95,000 kilometers or so.
Just like in last week’s example, successive cycles of space/time creation have commenced. The extra time needed for your light pulse to cover that additional 95,000 kilometers is about 0.317 seconds. But in 0.317 seconds, Shirley moves 80,000 kilometers further away. And, of course, the same movement is happening while the light pulse is traveling back down Shirley’s shaft, stretching Line B for the mirror-image triangle by the same amount. These numbers are big, so it’s already clear that the time you measure for the light flash to reach Shirley’s floor will be larger - quite a bit larger – than last week, when Shirley was traveling at half the speed of light. Still, just like last week, these numbers are shrinking rapidly. You would be forgiven for thinking that the cycles would quickly shrink to insignificance.
But you’d be wrong! As the cycles start to pile on, an important aspect of the geometry of the situation rears its ugly head and starts to exert an increasing influence. To understand this, we need to revisit Pythagoras’ theorem (sorry, owls):
A useful way of stating this relation in the context of our current triangle is: The greater the discrepancy between the lengths of Lines B and C, the greater the proportion of the length of the longer side gets “donated “ to line A.
We encountered this situation when Shirley was moving only one kilometer per second (slow, relative to the speed of light, that is) in Blog Five, making Line C vastly longer than Line B. You can see this in the figure above: with Line C so much more in control of the length of Line A than Line B, Line A was virtually the same length as Line C. This time around, with Shirley moving at 299,999 kilometers per second, Line B is almost equal in length to Line C after just one second. Therefore, the amount that Line B and Line C contribute to the length of A is now virtually equal (for those who care, Line C supplies just a tiny trifle more than 71% of its length, Line B just a tiny trifle less).
In just the first cycle of time/space creation, though, we’ve seen that Line B increased by 124,262 kilometers, making Line B quite a bit longer than Line C. As the space/time creation cycles pile on, Line B grows ever longer, while Line C (of course) stays the same. Consequently, Line B begins to donate a larger and larger proportion of its overall length to Line A, and that means it donates a larger and larger proportion of the portion of its length that was just added in the latest cycle. The top triangle of the three triangles in the figure below shows what’s happened by the 20th cycle of space/time creation, close to the number of cycles that completely “closed things out” when Shirley traveled at 150,000 kilometers per second. This time around, Shirley has moved almost 1.5 million kilometers away, making Line B almost five times as long as Line C. In the very next (21st) cycle, illustrated in the middle triangle of the figure, Shirley moves an additional 30,941 kilometers down the line. Crucially, with the big (and growing) imbalance between the lengths of Line B and Line C, most of that additional length is donated to Line A. In fact, Line A lengthens by about 30,303 kilometers, only a fraction less than the latest increase in Line B.
It takes just slightly more than a tenth of a second for the light flash to cover the extra 30,000 or so kilometers along A. In that amount of time, though, Shirley moves another 29,999 or so kilometers away, and donates almost all of that extra length to Line A. As these iterations of space/time creation continue to mount, and Line B grows ever longer compared to Line C, the proportion of the additional length on Line B that’s donated to A grows every larger, until they’re almost identical. This situation is illustrated in the bottom triangle of the figure with the large number of evenly spaced light pulses through the midsection. Eventually, things almost reach equilibrium, where on each cycle, almost as much new distance is added to Line A as was added on the immediately previous cycle. As a result, the light pulse makes very little headway on its journey toward the top of the triangle (Shirley’s mirrored ceiling), or (after one second of George’s time) back down to the floor.
Luckily for your patience, though, the amount of Line B that gets donated to Line A never - quite - reaches the point of complete balance. On every successive cycle, the temporal window of opportunity for Shirley to move further down the line grows just a little smaller, and the old girl covers just slightly less extra distance compared to the cycle before.
Eventually, the cycle IS choked off, and the light pulse DOES reach naked (and, don’t worry, still fully erect) George. As shown by the pile-up of light pulses to the right side of the triangle, though, it takes many, many, many extra cycles for that to happen. The distances along the sides say it all: by the time the pulse reaches the ceiling, Line B has stretched to over 116 million kilometers. By the time the pulse reaches the floor, Shirley has covered a total of about 232 million kilometers, putting her well on her way to Jupiter! Compared to that colossal distance, the length of line C, which remains fixed at 300,000 kilometers, has become a trivial pittance. This is why the shape of the triangle is so squashed, and Line A is now almost identical in length to Line B (of course, the true triangle is a great deal more squashed than this figure can do justice).
Let’s pause and take stock. We have exactly the opposite of the situation in Blog Five, when the spacecraft was traveling at only one kilometer per second, and it was Line B that was insignificant compared to Line C. See why time dilation is magnified by such a colossal extent when the spacecraft gets very close to the speed of light? Line B has an opportunity to get so long compared to C that virtually all of the length of Line B is donated to A; thus, as Line B grows, so grows Line A, creating ever more distance for your version of the light flash to cover. And, of course, light always takes time to cover distance.
With this description, we’ve virtually finished the quest to understand the time in time dilation! The key to the entire story lies in how quickly the spacecraft is traveling, and how quickly the light pulse can reach the floor of the spacecraft. If the pulse can do so in a relatively small number of extra cycles of space/time creation, Line C will always win the competition with Line B for who donates the bigger proportion of their length to Line A, and things don’t get too out of hand. If, however, Shirley is moving fast enough, Line B wins the “who donates the most to Line A” sweepstakes, and the time/space creaction cycles acquire a life of their own.
There are only a few loose ends to tie up, now. One of those ends is really nifty, however, so I’m going to leave you today with a teaser to it. We’ve seen that when Shirley travels at very close to light speed, she covers over 230 million kilometers before the light pulse returns to her floor. Of course, that distance puts her way out there in outer space: in the context of our solar system, 230 million kilometers away is a location well inside the asteroid belt that lies between Mars and Jupiter.
Meanwhile, what distance would the odometer onboard Shirley herself read when the pulse reaches the floor? 599,998 kilometers, of course: Her speed, 299,999 kilometers per second, multiplied by the two seconds of elapsed time that it takes for George. That is only about one and a half times the distance to the Moon; it’s many millions of kilometers short of Mars, let alone the asteroid belt. So. At the exact point in time when the light pulse returns to the spacecraft floor, time dilation appears to have created an enormous discrepancy between where Shirley is in George’s world, and where she is in yours’.
This discrepancy raises a major conundrum. Since, from your perspective, Shirley travels all the way into the asteroid belt, it is entirely possible (though unlikely) that an asteroid lies somewhere along her path, and Shirley actually hits the asteroid in a high-speed collision that immediately pulverizes her, and poor erect George, into dust. If that happened, you’d obviously never see the light pulse, because there’d be no glass floor around to reflect it back to you. You wouldn’t care much about that, because you’d be mourning the loss of George and his equipment (I was talking about his searchlight and stop watch). But from George’s perspective, Shirley doesn’t travel nearly far enough to enter the asteroid belt. The hide-speed collision never takes place, the light pulse reaches the floor with no problem, and George lives to record the time of that event.
Can exactly the same event have two such different histories? How can George (and his marvelous erection) both live and die? How can Shirley get pulverized and not get pulverized? Speculate on how to resolve this paradox in today’s comment section! Or, if you like, just sit tight and wait until next week for the (in my humble opinion) mind-boggling answer!
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uh....bear~ that's long~ :D
LynnD~ IT'S POURING!!!!! AND SNOWING IN THE MOUNTAINS!!!!! I'm blaming YOU!!!~
oh yay! I just realized! I GOT FIRST!!!!!!!~
Tina: Congrats on first.
"uh..bear that's long" made me LOL.
Whabby: Hon, I love you to pieces but for the life of me, I cannot get past the first paragraph or two before it starts sounding like one of my old math teachers or the adults in the Charlie Brown cartoons..I am sure my son would totally get it though. I really feel dumb on Wednesdays. You sure are smart!
I had a horrible night last night. It is hard to come to work and act like normal when you go through so much sometimes. Anyone else ever feel that way?
Good Mornig Hooters! I'm home, back at work and as usual befuddled by Whab's blog. :)
Hope everyone has a great day- lots of work to catch up on.
Yes Bebbi, I know what you mean.
Congrats on 1st tina~
Good Morning!
BEAR: Ok..I'm taking a deep breath and diving in..I hope I surface..cuz dang it took looks deep today. I'll give it the ol' Ho/Owl try..ya might need to send someone to rescue me though..
TINA: Congrats on FIRST! I scrolled and scrolled..and then I got worried.. ;)
BEBBI: LOL I can just hear those voices..
GOLDIE: Welcome back! Did you notice that the light was on? :)
Tina.. happy 1~
Morning..
Bebbi.. Tina.. Goldie.. Zona..
Ok, I have a confession, I copied and pasted the blog about three times, which means I read it three times. and all I know is, George has a constant erection!
This blog has started my day in the right direction!
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Bebbi..
Tina's "uh..bear" made me laugh to..
Bebbi..
Yes, I feel that way as well sometimes. That is when you have to put on the Happy Face, even if you don't feel like it..and yes its hard. But the good news, there is always tomorrow, and with each tomorrow we have a new beginning...
Sending you many smiles..
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Zona..
Happy Diving!
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Goldie..
Welcome back, I am sure your visit with your grandbabies was great!
Ok.. off and running.. hope I run into George ;O)
Have a good day!
BEAR: Ok..I made it..I tried, I really did..I found my way back, but I'm still lost. I have no idea how the same event could have two different outcomes...but I am really curious to find out. :)
BEBBI: I have those kinds of days..where you have to smile when you don't want to and you fight to keep the sadness and weariness out of your voice..I know exactly what you mean. I hope today is a better day, I really do.
CAROL: I may have to do some more diving before the day is thru.. ;)
Whab, wouldn't the crash still happen but in two different time perspectives? I mean, George would see the light pulse return, but it'd probably be the last thing he sees?
freaking ass show-off!!!~
Good morning!
Very interesting and hard to comprehend. I just cannot get past the fact that Shirley has a shaft.
Happy Wednesday to all!
Bon: You've got one important piece of next week's answer correct: if there was a crash, it would have to happen in both George's world and in yours. But neither one of you would see the light pulse, because the crash happens while the pulse is still on it's way, so it never gets a chance to make it back to the floor.
That would be true for you and George.
Which brings us back to the delicious conundrum. In your world, Shirley has moved far enough to get into the asteroid belt, so from your perspective, the crash is completely understandable (if regrettable).
But in George's world, Shirley doesn't have time to travel that far. So how can George possibly experience the same collision?
If somebody figures out the right answer in the comments today, I'll definitely acknowledge that. However, I don't want to spoil the suspense by revealing it myself!
Damn! I just discovered an error in the first figure that I KNOW is throwing you all off (LOL!).
The value along Line B inside the triangle should be 299,999, not 299,000.
Sorry!
I didn't mean to get away with explaining further. My sister's dog got hit by a car last night. I went over and tried to help. Put the dog in the back and took it to the vet but it was already gone. It was the sweetest dog. I have movies of it on my youtube account. She has two dogs and it is the one that is gold and white. It's name was Butters.
Then, I got back home and my son who has moved out came over and he couldn't breath very well. So I asked him if he would do me a favor. He said, "What?" and I asked him if I could take him to the emergency room. So, long story short, he got an inhaler and robitussin and could breath again. We were out till 2 a.m. Rough day, but you are right and thanks for all the encouragement. The day is getting better, but I am still sad about the dog and worried about my son.
Whabby: I was going to call you out on that, but I didn't want to embarass you. ;)
"with" should have been "without" on the first line of my explanation. Sorry.
Tina~wet_in_ut Congrats on first!
Bear Does George end up being "beamed" forward?
Bebbi I'm sooo sorry about your sister's dog. I'm glad you were able to get your son to see a doctor. I hope he's doing better today.
Bebbi: That's very sad news about Butters. Hugs!
J/L: Actually, kind of, YES! Now, would you care to clarify what you're thinking by "beamed forward"?
Whab, I'm trying to stay a step ahead, but there's a serious crossroads here. Are you going in the direction of Special Relativity or Twin Paradox? We know that the spaceship Shirley is in motion. Is there another object in motion aside from the beam of light? Should we be thinking Lorentz or Galilei Transformation?
I am a terrible suspense person. I always read the end of books so I know who did it. You are driving me insane.
Bebbi, I'm so sorry to hear of your recent events. I mean, what do you say to someone who's gone through what you did? "Sorry" just isn't enough. I'm in awe of your ability to handle it all and still be you. Your family is so lucky to have you!
Bon: If I understand the Lorentz transform correctly, we're going in the direction of both it and the twins paradox. The twins paradox will stem from the longer duration that events onboard Shirley are taking from your perspective (stationary on the ground) compared to George's perspective. If I understand it correctly, the Lorentz transform will come into play to resolve the collision conundrum that I posed in today's blog.
As for what's in motion: nothing except Shirley (and George) and the light pulse. You are stationary. Shirley and George have only one motion vector, along Line B. The light pulse incorporates Shirley's motion (at 299,999 kps) along B and its own motion (at 300,000 kps) up and down Shirley's shaft. I think your version of the light pulse's path (along Line A) would be considered the resultant of these two vectors.
Afternoon Glories,
Sorry Whabby I am so tired I don't know if I should cry or bitch or just give in and be a crying bitch.
All I gathered is that Shirley is still having cycles and they are getting longer and longer. Poor George.
I believe this is true as Shirley has posted about her feminine issues before.
That was my delete. Whab, I never liked Lorentz. I give up. You can just spoon feed me.
LynnD, you can try the crying bitch gig, but I just don't think you have the bitch part in you.
HI Everybody! You guys won't believe this! My sister just called and her CAT got hit by a car and died tonight. She had 3 pets - 2 dogs and a cat and now she is just the owner of 1 dog. I never heard of anyone losing two pets in two separate incidences in two days! How horrible.
Thanks J/L and Bonachichi!! I didn't go over there tonight. I feel terrible for her though. They are so bummed.
Bebbi That is just too horrible. I am so sorry for your sister and her family. It sounds like she should just keep her animals indoors or fenced in.
LynnD I'm sorry and....LMAO!
Bear It seems to me that onboard the spacecraft, George is being pulled farther and farther away, right along with the light, until we can see the light hit the bottom in 775 seconds. For George, time has literally slowed down. His 2 seconds took 775 seconds to go by, meaning he's out there with the asteroids. Is that possible?
j/Lin; I think you just nailed the Twin Paradox.
Bonach I've never even heard of the Twin Paradox.
J/L: I agree about that. The road she lives on is just too busy. The cat was an alley cat and liked to wander. But, Butters was an indoor dog that got out because my sister's daughter left the door open by accident. They have a fenced back yard, unfortunately the dog went out the front door. :(
Two weeks ago I went to my sister's house to go walking and she told me that Butters was getting out the front door when the kids left it opened and she was worried she was going to get hit. She kept warning her daughter (her daughter is 20, unemployed, sleeps all day/parties all night). Unfortunately the dog paid the ultimate price. :(
Oh, heck, I am anxiously going to wait until Wednesday to hear Whabby's explanation.
I certainly don't want to be a show off on Whabby's blog.
I will let you all know next Wed., if Whabby was thinking the same thing as me. :)
Oh, Bebbi, so sorry about the animals. :(
Ok so According to J/L George is stretching and stretching and is on steroids. Hmmm And Bonachichi thinks he will turn into twins or the Incredible Hulk or Long Dong Silver. This just gets weirder and weirder.
Bebbi I am so sorry for your sister that is just terrible.
Oh and Bonacci I can be a bitch and do have it in me but I have to be pushed very far then I go all harpy on someones ass. I am getting very close. Watch the news for updates.
lmbo LynnD~ I thought you said, "Bonachi can be a real bitch!" ...and I thought....wow...I knew it, but how did she know, too?!~ :D
Bebbi~ I'm so sorry for your sister~ There is nothing worse than losing a cat~
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J/Lin; Through Whab's Wednesdays, you've shown yourself to be absolutely brilliant. I've been thinking you were a closet physicist.
I never wanted anything to do w/Einstein's relativity theories. They're just too abstract for me. I do remember though, the Twin Paradox. It says basically, that you can take twins; leave one on Earth and put the other one in a vehicle that travels around C. One twin will age more quickly than the other. When explained by someone who truly understands it, it makes sense. Unfortunately, I don't truly understand HOW it works, just that the explanation makes sense coming from someone smarter than me. Your "question" about time being different for the terrestrial person vs George illustrates it beautifully. Time slows for one, accelerates for the other.
DILLAGUF, Tina!!
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Sorry I wasn't in earlier. Today I am happy/sad.Happy cuz I went shopping for new kitchen cupboards and sad because I visited my x-sister-in-law in the hospital tonight. The Drs told her she only had 6 months to live if she didn't get a heart transplant, which she turned down. They didn't even wait until someone was there with her to tell her the news. She is 65 yrs old. She lost her Mom(my Ex MIL) and sole caregiver 14 yrs ago. It is an unusual circumstance as she is a little mentally disabled. She was so upset and in tears when I got to her. I thought Drs would be a little more careful with patients like that. She will be going home with her cousin tomorrow and will be cared for by hospice. Keep good thoughts for her, Thanks
Mary.. I sure will.. sorry..
Bebbi...
So Sorry for what you have been thru, that is very sad.. I am sending you all good thoughts.. ♥♥♥
Iteach...
You crack me up! :O)
J/L..
I think you are right ;O)
Lynn.. I will be watching the news cause I will probably be in it too..
;O)
Mary: Hugs! That's tough to do, and kudos to you!.
J/L and Bon: The key to the conundrum (and the twins paradox) lies, now with time passing more slowly onboard Shirley than on the Earth, but with a profound difference in space. I'll explain that in a later blog.
Another way of looking at what I just stated is: George experiences time as passing at exactly the same rate on board Shirley as the rate that you experience time to be passing on the Earth. That's why he keeps measuring the time for the light pulse to go up and back as 2 seconds, just like you both did when Shirley was motionless above you.
But when Shirley's moving really fast, and you "eavesdrop" on George's frame of reference by measuring the time things take to happen there, those times are much longer than either he measures them to be, or you would measure them to be if they happened in your vicinity on the Earth.
By the way, you and George really are acting out the twins paradox. The two people don't have to be twins; they just need to be two people, one onboard Shirley (George) and one stationary on the Earth (You)!
Jennifer: ROFLMAO!!!!
Oh, Bon: BTW, YOU are the one who's going to age much faster than George!
Gawd, I love this stuff! LOL! Thanks everybody, again, for putting up with this!
Bear~ All I really want to know is.....do I get to do George at the end of this series or not?!
Mary~ I can't stand it when doctor's give news like that when the patient is alone! That's horrible! Prayers for your ex-family (and you!)
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Bonachichi~ you have tiny tits!~ :)~
Excuse me? Is Twins Paradox anywhere near Twim Peaks?
EBJ I want you to know once and for all...I DO NOT HAVE A SHAFT!!!
Bebbi and Mary ((((HUGS)))).
Good night everyone! Stats will be posted tomorrow...I think...yeah they will...well maybe...no I'll post them in the evening...possible...
Shirley, you better take it up with Bear. He's been saying every week that you have a shaft.
If you don't have a shaft, that can only mean that he is making all this stuff up to confuse us!
I hope he isn't making up the part about George having an erection!?
Shirley~ Don't worry honey~ You can buy a shaft real cheap now....they are on sale at Shafts R Us~ I think they even may still be having their 2 for 1 sale~ :O
Mary, that is so sad about your ex-sis in law. I hope for the best for her.
Bebbi that is ust jAWFUL about the dog and cat!!!
I saw my cat Lisa get hit by a car and killed. From that moment on, my other 2 cats became inside cats.
And then Paula came along and she was never allowed outside, and the same now with Nancy.
Tina do you have a shaft?
You might want to tell Bear! hee hee
Jennifer you made me L O L with your comment to him :)
EBJ~ My hubby has my shaft~ :)~
....and btw...are you drunk? "Bebbi that is ust jAWFUL"....that just made me laugh~
Bonach Thanks, but no, not by a long shot. LOL I did really like math, though.
Jennifer That was too funny!
Mary I am so sorry about your ex-sister-in-law. (((HUGS))) to you and the family.
Tina, my hubby has one too!
No not drunk, just a bad typist and didn't proof read! I think I had momentary dyslexia!
Jennifer, I know, that you know, that I know that you know,what Whabby knows!
Bebbi, that is so sad!
Tina has a shaft?? Who knew, oh I know, I bet Jennifer knew lol!!
Thanks for the good thoughts everyone.
I have to tell you a kinda funny..
While I was with my SIL the priest came in to do his thing. I am not Catholic so ...
Anyway he looked about 90 yrs old. He sat in this big comfy chair on rollers. When he tried to feebly get up, the chair moved and he almost rolled into the hall way. We all looked at each other and burst out laughing! It was a good tension breaker.
Good Nite Shirley.. sleep well.. looking forward to the stats..
Mary.. I would have burst out laughing to.. sorry..
Whabby.. You are to cute, you get so excited over George and his erect penis... I love it..
I am off to bed..
c u all tomorrow..
Nite..
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Sweet dreams, Carol.
Mary I would have cracked up, too.
Tina: I think it's going to be an orgy!
Carol: I'm a depressingly predictable homosexual! LOL!
Shirley: I'm very much afraid you do!
Wait. What do my tits have to do with anything?
Whab, I will sit my arse right here on Earth. I've been in a vomit comet. No way I'll ever do it again. Did you know barf comes out in little balls at zero gravity?
Bonach That's a cool visual! I wouldn't be willing to even do it the first time.
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Happy dancin' all by myself. :)
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