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Wednesday, August 26, 2009

From Accomplices to Confederates: What’s in a name? #3

by Whabby


Good morning, owls! Well, we’ve made it to the third blog in this little series. I can only trust that you were doing your homework over the past week, performing the time measurement experiment over and over again, and always getting the same two second value (once your smart stopwatch automatically subtracted your “brain processing” time). In fact, you’ve probably gotten thoroughly sick and tired of the whole, dare I use the word, tedious, activity, because the outcome is always the same!

To spice things up a little, you decide to hire an accomplice. Since “accomplice” kind of sounds like you’ve decided to rob a bank or something, perhaps “collaborator” or even “confederate” is the preferred label. Your “confederate” agrees to sit on the floor of the spacecraft instead of you, and to toggle the searchlight on and off, and measure how long it takes to see the pulse of light on its return from the ceiling. Of course, when he does this, he gets the same two second result that you did; his stopwatch is smart enough to automatically subtract his ‘brain time” too.

But where have you gone? Not far! Not far at all! You want to continue to measure the travel time of the light flash right along with your confederate. Thus, you arrange for your spacecraft to be tethered just a couple of feet in the air - just high enough that you can lie flat on the ground underneath the transparent floor, and stare straight up through the floor in the direction of the ceiling (just like your confederate does right above you). And just like him, you’re going to start your stopwatch at the exact point when he flicks the searchlight on (remember, the searchlight is bidirectional, so you can immediately see the light coming through the floor), and you’re going to push your stopwatch again, halting it, when you see the return flash. Of course, when the reflected flash hits the transparent floor, it only has to pass through and travel another couple of feet to reach you – a negligible distance. Thus, not only do you start your stopwatches at the same time, you stop them at the same time, too. BOTH stopwatches register exactly the same two-second duration for this event.

But where’s Einstein, you’re beginning to wonder? Now it’s two of you, not just you yourself, who keep getting the same result, and are getting restless and bored. The thought experiment, with its predictable two-second result on both stopwatches, is still tedious.

But it’s always darkest just before the dawn! Like a bolt out of the blue, you both get an idea for how to stir things up. Your cylinder is a spaceship, after all, so why not repeat the experiment with you remaining in the same position on the ground, but with the spacecraft in motion? To accommodate this slightly more complex condition, you and your confederate engineer the following situation. Lying on the ground, you stretch your arms straight out to the left and to the right, so your body forms a cross. Your confederate takes control of the spacecraft and, still hovering at the same short distance above the ground from you, flies it to a point directly down the line formed by your outstretched left arm. Next, your confederate accelerates the spaceship quickly to a constant speed, so that it (and he) is moving steadily towards you along the straight line formed by your outstretched left arm. Eventually, still holding the same speed, the spacecraft passes directly over top of you, and continues down the line formed by your outstretched right arm.

Initially, you decide you want the spacecraft to move at a steady one kilometer per second. Although that’s actually pretty darn fast, about the speed of a supersonic military jet, it pales in comparison to the speed of the light itself: One kilometer per second is only 1/300,000 of THAT ridiculous speed! Still, your confederate now has to take great pains to toggle the searchlight on and off at the exact instant that the spacecraft passes over you. That way, you still see the flash of light through the floor of the spacecraft at the same time that your confederate toggles the searchlight on; therefore, you both still START your stopwatches in unison.

But do you both still see the light flash RETURN to the spacecraft floor at the same time, STOP your stopwatches together, and measure the same amount of time for the event to happen? That, owls, is the question for next week. In the meantime, feel free to speculate on the answer!

104 comments:

Zona said...

Good Morning!

Zona said...

WooHoo!! Ok..off to read..and hopefully understand!

Tina~in_ut said...

you still got first! damn! I was hoping if I kept you on the phone, someone else would get it! lol~

Tina~in_ut said...

quatro~

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cinco~

Tina~in_ut said...

seis~

Tina~in_ut said...

do i have to read this? :)~

Zona said...

BEAR: Ok..I have to read this a couple more times..I understand the directions..just don't understand what it means. And to tell you the truth..I'm a little nervous laying on the floor with a spaceship flying just a few feet over me...especially when it's piloted by someone who's watching a stopwatch and turning a light on and off..ijs..

I'm going to read this again..brb..

Tina~in_ut said...

okay...i've read the first paragraph~ I agree...this is tedious~ :)~

Zona said...

LOL TINA!! I distract easily..but not quite that easily..not with being First in my sites! ;)

Tina~in_ut said...

Second paragraph! I'm stuck on the accomplice....see....I'm thinking you will have to add more than 2 seconds....everyone I know isn't as bright as I am~ :D

Zona said...

BEAR: My guess..and believe me it's just a guess..is that no, you wouldn't see the light flash return at the same time because the person in the spaceship is moving...oh this is going to be so wrong...my brain hurts.. ;)

Tina~in_ut said...

third paragraph~ Okay...now I'm rethinking my accomplice....now it's George Clooney....that's the ass that I want to look up at~ This is a fun blog, bear~ :D

Lynn D said...

Morning Glories!

Congrats on first Zona! Way to go you trumped Tina's evil plan to distract you! LOL

Waving at Tina.

Bear I don't think there is a difference, tho the space ship is moving, the speed of light has not changed so therefor it is still the same 2 second return.

Just a guess! LOL Because I really don't know what the hell I am talking about. Flying the space craft was fun though!

Tina~in_ut said...

fourth paragraph~ okay...i really don't care where Eintein is...I've got George now~

Tina~in_ut said...

fifth paragraph~ Okay....now we've introduced religion....I like that! We have a cross....i'm not really sure what you're doing with it...but we'll see~ You're on the right track~ :)~

Zona said...

I wonder which is faster..the speed of light or the speed of TINA when George is right above her? ;)

LYNND: Can I copy your answer? ;)

Tina~in_ut said...

fifth paragraph~ Okay....now I'm glad I picked George....he's up to the task~

Lynn D said...

Zona copy away but I will not be responsible if you get an "F".

I think Tina is in the space craft with George now. This lesson went to hell fast! LMAO

Have to jump in the shower! Waving at everyone.

Tina~in_ut said...

oops...that was paragraph sixth~

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i mean 6~

whabbear said...

I think we've identified the confederate... it's George Clooney!

Since this is a thought experiment, you can even imagine him in the spacecraft naked if you want to! LOL!

MEK in AZ said...

Happy Wednesday with Whabby!!

good morning..

zona - congrats on first..

Tina - already dreaming of George!!

Lynn - lol at copy away!!

whabby - :-)

waving howdy to all who land..

I'm off to play golf today - haven't done that in a while - yikes!!!

i hope everyone has an excellent day!!
:-)

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Just_Lin said...

Bear If George Clooney is nakid in the spacecraft, no one gives a shit about any stupid light....ijs

LMAO!!!

Just_Lin said...

Seriously, I'm thinking the spacecraft passes over us so fast that our brains don't have time to register the light at all.

I have to go to the dreaded dentist this morning. It is not going to be good news and I am in for a very unpleasant time very soon. See you all when I get back. I wonder if there will be more naked people? I didn't know that science was so pornish. LOL

Tina~in_ut said...

bear~ honey...when did i ever say George was wearing clothes?

and btw everyone....he's MY accomplice!!!!~

Okay...i have finished...and I just can't see how the time can be the same if george is moving....isn't the light bending? huh? huh? don't answer that...let me think about it....it's hurting~ :D

DeeDee said...

Bamm!! 29

Bebbilane said...

Congrats on first Zona!

Good morning everyone.

Whabby: Great blog. I love your excitement!! You are so smart.

I at jury duty again. Had to come in at 10:30, not too bad. I got to sleep in a little bit.

Tinkatia said...

Good Morning All -
Zona-My-Baby - Good Morning and GOOD ON YOU!!!!

Bear - I am rushing to a doctor's appointment. I will have to do my assignment after my nap. That will give me an advantage. Right now my brain is like cheese with holes in it.

Zona said...

TINKA: I hope your doctor's appt. goes well!

J/LIN: I really, really dislike going to the dentist! I hope you get good news, not bad! :)

DEEDEE: EEEEKK! What the heck is that..??

TINA: Congrats on QOTD..I wonder what George would say..heck I wonder what MO would say? ;)

MEK: Have fun hitting those little balls! ;)

BEBBI: What kind of case..oh wait..I don't think you are allowed to answer that.. ;)

Have a great day Everyone!

Bebbilane said...

Bonacci: Loved your blog yesterday. A very serious subject and such a great song. Glad that your friend was successful so far.:) It sounded to me like Brandon has not been as lucky in fighting his battle with addiction?

Bebbilane said...

Zona, no cases yet. My number hasn't been called once. I just sit here and wait. I have a suspicious my luck is running out though.

Bebbilane said...

lol tina you crack me up!

whabbear said...

Tina: The light doesn't bend; it always travels in a completely straight line. But you're still puzzling about exactly the right thing. Consider: Is the PATH traveled by the light the same from your perspective and George Clooney's?

I'm going to cover the geometry behind that question next week!

Tina~in_ut said...

bear~ I bet the light will bend when it notices it's coming to a nekkid George Clooney~ ijs~ (shhhhhh...I'd bend in an instant!)

goldie said...

Hello Hooters-

Just dropping in to say hi and congrats on 1st Zonabaaaaaaaaaaby!!

The life has been sucked out of my brain by idiots and morons today- so I will have to wait until later to read your blog Whabby.

Hope everyone has a good day!

whabbear said...

Good morning, Goldie!

Tina: Too bad George has never really done too much for me, or I might be observing the opposite: something that was curved would straighten up!

Nevertheless, George is definitely the confederate from now on, and I'm happy to imagine him lying on the spacecraft floor naked.

Which reminds me. We have a name for the confederate now. Is there a good name for the spacecraft?

East Bay J said...

Good morning!

Congrats on 1st Zona!

I think the space ship should be named in honor of Shirley, since she likes Start Trek.

Or you could just call it "FFT" (f*cking flying thing). haha!

I must read the blog, so I'll be back!

goldie said...

I think the space ship should be named 'Lightening'

Tina~in_ut said...

or Spot~ (spotlight)~

bonachichi said...

Where are we going, Whab? I want to see the Hubble outside my window!

Just_Lin said...

Okay......if the light takes 2 seconds to go to the mirror at the top of the spacecraft and come back down and the spacecraft is moving over me at a speed of 1 kilometer per second......the spacecraft would be 2 kilometers past me by the time the light returned, wouldn't it?

Mary/MI said...

Congrats on 1st Zona!

Whabby,I should not have read the comments before reading your blog! Now I am afraid to read it lol!

Tina, why are you floating around with my George?

Tinka, I hope your conference goes well. I will keep everything crossed for you!

MEK~I bet you will do just fine today! fore!!

DeeDee your polyp is not so good to look at after lunch :-0

Goldie, sorry about your brain sucky thingy!

Bebee, Here comes the judge, here comes the judge :+)

Justlin, I'm with you on George C

whabbear said...

J/L: BINGO, baby! That's the key! Now, given that the vehicle is two kilometers down the line to your right when the light flash returns to the floor, what's the path the light must be following, from your perspective? How does that path differ from the path from George's perspective onboard?

kahonugrl said...

ok....I been gone a few days, sure am sure I need to lengthen my lead.


Whab...cannot sit and read until tonite.

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And Zona....

I believe that would be a polyp on DeeDee's avatar~

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Nuf said

Just_Lin said...

Bear Okay....To George in the cylindrical spacecraft, the light is still going straight up to the ceiling and straight back down so it still takes 2 seconds. For me, however, the light is not only moving up but also away, creating an upward angle, then hits the ceiling, and comes down and away, making a downward angle. Therefore, for me the light had to travel farther, therefore, it took longer.

whabbear said...

J/L: Bingo again!!!! The speed of light is a constant, regardless of the frame of reference in which it is measured. Since the light flash has to cover a greater distance for you than for George, it's going to take longer to return to the floor... and so your stopwatch will no longer agree with George's!

That's part... but an important part... of how time dilation happens.

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Bear - I am home and I am going to read your blog now.

Just_Lin said...

Bear Do I get an A for today? :D

kahonugrl said...

j/lin

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Tinkatia said...

Just-Lin - I am impressed.

Whabbear - Sorry but I couldn't figure this one out. If it gets harder next Wednesday I am going to need a tutor.

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Kgrl Thanks for the gold star. LOL

kahonugrl said...

a'ole pilikia wahine

Shirley(NCC-1701) said...

Wow Just Lin that is exactly what I was going to say! Hmmm great minds think alike. You didn't lean over and copy my answer did you?

Shirley(NCC-1701) said...

Good night Zona and congrats on 1st!

Good night Tina, Lynn D, Whabbear, Mek, Just Lin, DeeDee, Tinka, Bebbi, Goldie, EBJ, Bonachichi, Mary, K-girl and Maureen.

EBJ thanks for thinking of me when naming the spacecraft. We could just call it "Night Owl 1"

Tina~in_ut said...

Dear God, J/L~ i just read QOTD~ thanks....i think~ :)~

Just_Lin said...

Shirley Good night and sweet dreams. I didn't cheaqt off your paper. Honest!

Tina It was just one of the many pearls of wisdom that cross your lips. LOL

Tina~in_ut said...

ur funny, J/L~ actually.....it did feel pearlish coming out last night~ :D

Just_Lin said...

Tina Pearlish and pornish at the same time! A double header, no pun intended.

whabbear said...

J/L: YES! Gold stars! I'm lovin' it!

Audrey: Not to worry. After all, there's nothing that says you have to understand today's blog... today! Or tomorrow!

Remember, this is all about time. You have seven whole days to battle this blog and eventually conquer it ... and not fall a single millisecond behind anybody else... and private tutoring is most definitely available! :)

whabbear said...

Who wins the naming contest? Check back next Wednesday for the winning suggestion! LOL!

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and the teacher's pet wins~

Just_Lin said...

Ha! I got it!

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:)~

Just_Lin said...

I thought you might be lurkin, Pocahantas.

Just_Lin said...
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That was my delete. And that should be "lurking".

Maureen said...

I have debated about posting for a long time tonight. I'm having a bad day / night. Tomorrow (actually today already) is the anniversary of my mom passing. Today was very hard as I can't seem to shake the memory of sitting at her bedside all thru the night as she slipped further away. In the past, I don't remember this day / night being so hard. I don't know why I am so fixated on the images. And the questions. Did I do the right things? Did I make the right decisions? I just want to bawl and sleep, but neither seem to be coming. I'm sorry to bring down the blog, thats why I waited till it seems like you have all gone to bed. I just needed to vent. I don't know if I will stop in tomorrow. I am going to the cemetary then to try and celebrate mom's life...not dwell on her death. Dont know if that will be what actually happens, but I am going to try. I miss you mom. Good night.

Just_Lin said...

MO I wish I could put my arm around you, hold your hand, cry with you. I have similar memories and questions regarding my husband's death. The only thing that helps is the knowledge that everything, yes, everything, happened exactly as it was meant to, whether I understand why or not. (((HUGS))) to you, sweet lady.

Mary/MI said...

Mo, I have some years that are worse than others. I don't know why that is. I too was with my Mother until the end. There were 7 of us siblings. I always wonder why we were never asked to donate a kidney to her as that was her biggest problem along with diabetes and heart disease.We can drive ourselves crazy thinking these things! I agree with Just-lin every thing happens as it was meant to be. We do not have the power or right to decide these things, imho. {{hugs}} to you, I have been there.

whabbear said...

'weenie: Hugs! This is so hard!

Just_Lin said...

Sweet dreams, HOoters.

Shirley(NCC-1701) said...

Maureen you aren't alone. I understand. ((((HUGS)))))

night.owls.sb said...

Mo..

You can post any ole thing you want, you will never bring the blog down. Youe feelings are warranted, sometimes we just miss them more then other times.. I have been thinking about you all day.. Keep your chin up. we are here..

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