by Tina~in_ut
As someone who is completely and utterly against abortion/killing an innocent child, I find that I am dumbfounded at people who are in agreement with me, yet are for the death penalty or are okay with someone taking this man's life. Killing is killing, no matter what form it takes. One is not better than another. One is not worse than another. Each can be avoided. In the case of abortion, in my opinion, the woman's choice was whether or not to have sex in the first place. I realize that those FOR abortion bring up the case of rape, but abortion in the case of rape/incest only happens 1% of the time and that can also be taken care of before conception in the emergency room of a hospital. Killing this man in cold blood will not stop what he was doing at his clinic, either. Someone else will just take over.
We are all put on this earth to live together. We all have differing views, but we need to respect each others views. I'm not someone who goes and pickets or goes to rally's. It's okay if you do. It's just not my thing. I prefer to pray about our differences. (I have a friend at work who knows this and it drives her crazy because I do it in front of her!) In the end, I believe we all answer to God and He is the final judge.
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Yup, Ms. Tina, this topic has been heavy on my mind too.
I also think about all those people that witnessed that act of violence in church. They will never be the same again.
I have a bunch of sleepyhead children today and I'm lovin it.
Nothing but the sound of birds!
Enjoy your hump day!
Good Morning Hooters!
1st again you pretty bitch? LOL jk
I have some of the same views and some very different view from you tina~. That said, I am totally disturbed that someone protesting death would choose death as their way of protest.
Hope all the Hooters ahve a good day- good morning iteach!
Morning Glories!
Congrats on first Tina!
Hi Iteach!
Tina this story the last few days have caused me great anxiety and depression. How someone can have so much hate that they will kill someone but then to proclaim they are a christian and enter a church and kill the person they hate is so beyond my ability to reason out and makes me sick to my stomach.
I am pro choice. I will always believe it is a womans right to choose. What she and her family and doctor decide is between them and none of my business. Something I have learned of late is even those of us who are pro choice really don't like abortion but see that the alternatives to not having this available in a safe medical enviroment would be even more horrendous.
I do have an issue with blaming the woman for making the decision to have sex so therefor it is all her fault. It takes two, a woman does not get pregnant by herself. In a society where we keep voting down sex education and we don't want to fund easy and cheap access to birth control and don't want to support those welfare Moms what do we expect? Oh we put up a good front about those dead beat Dads and try to collect some child support but the fact is we don't try hard enough on either side. I keep wondering if this issue would be different if we legislated about mens reproductive rights. Say if you father more than one child that you cannot support you would then be court ordered to have a vasectomy. Wonder how that would go over? Somehow I think the conversation would take on a whole new context in our society.
I keep wondering what is goal. Do we force women to carry these pregnancies full term? Do we lock them up and make sure that they cannot do harm to themselves or the fetus? Then we force them to give them up for adoption? Kind of like a baby mill? How far do we take it?
What about the cases of incest and rape? Do we force them? In many cases we are talking about young girls being abused? What about women whose lives are in danger from her pregnancy? Do we make her have the child even tho we know the outcome very likely will kill her. Is her life less important?
I have read on other blogs about some of the women Doctor Tiller treated in their own words. It is heart breaking.
In my opinion this is domestic terrorism. To create such fear for anyone to receive Legal Medical treatment is wrong. To intimidate anyone who does not have your beliefs is wrong! Where does it all stop?
These thoughts and more have been going round and round in my brain and I can't seem to stop them.
The only answer I can come up with is, if your truly are a christian shouldn't you worry about your own relationship with God and not your neighbors? No one can convince me that this is what God wants. My beliefs may not be my neighbors beliefs and it is not my right to force them upon them or to label them wicked or evil because they don't believe what I believe. It is to show them courtesy and to find common ground to discuss these issues reasonably even when we don't agree. By doing that I honor my beliefs and the God I believe in.
To glorify what this man did is disgusting, for any of our elected officials to ignore the red flags that are right in front of us is criminal and dangerous and many more people may die.
Tina thank you for doing this blog today. I kept thinking about writing one but have been so emotional that I was afraid to write down what is in my head. I have wavered between Rage and despair. Sometimes it is so hard to be a human just trying to seek out answers and guidance.
Ok enough for now I hope by writing just this bit my mind may get some rest and relief.
Off to feed hungry children today. Bless you all!
Tina said I can freakin say whatever the hell I want..
So.. I shall say..
"Good Morning"
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Tina....This is such a heavy topic, with many different facets. I don't think that I could ever bring myself to have an abortion, but I respect others right to do so. I respect that right for three reasons. 1) The systems currently in place for taking care of unwanted children are an abomination. An Adoption is ridiculously expensive and not covered by insurance eliminating many loving and caring people from the adoption pool. Foster care??? That system is even worse! There are not enough checks and follow ups to ensure that the children are being taken care of properly. There is a case currently in my cities courts of a 10 year old girl who was in a foster home and is currently classified as brain dead. Children's Services had been to the home on several occasions and were told that the marks and scars on this little girl were self inflicted. The social workers accepted this explanation and did no further follow ups. 2) I do not believe in the type of late term abortions that this doctor did unless there is a medical reason for it. For instance, I know of a women who had a late term abortion when she found out that the child she was carrying had severe health issues and would not have any "quality" to it's life. 3) If I remember my biology, there are several stages that a fertilized egg must go through before it becomes an embryo and even then, it is not yet viable on its own. If it's not viable, does that make removing it killing it? I don't know. I don't think I could do it, but there are so many variations on why women do, that I don't think I (or the government) should be able to make that choice for them. It's between them and God.
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Good morning!
Such a heavy topic, yet I am very glad you wrote it.
I do not think I could ever have an abortion myself, but do respect the decision of those who do.
My opinion of abortion was formed early in my nursing career, based on things I've seen and situations I've been involved with. I won't go into why or give the details, but will say I am very glad women have the choice.
Killing Dr. Tiller was so very hypocritical, if you are against killing, what is the rationale?
I respect everyone's opinion of this difficult subject. I know we won't all agree.
OK I will check back in a while! I hope everyone has a nice day today!
G'morning Everyone!
TINA: I could never understand how someone could think abortion is murder..but killing the doctor that performed the abortion, wasn't. No matter how they tried to justify it..it just never made sense to me. The fact that Dr. Tiller's killer could walk into a church..a church!!..and do this in the name of the Lord, just boggles the mind.
The whole incident is a tragedy. I just feel so badly for Dr. Tiller's family.
Incredibly thought provoking blog today TINA, thank you!
TINA: Congrats on FIRST..Eunice still reminds me of my 7th grade teacher..and I swear I can smell that awful perfume! ;)
ITEACH: Good to see you again, I missed you! Enjoy your summer vacation! :)
LYNND: I'm so glad you were finally able to but your thoughts down.
SCIRISH: Our state government is cutting CPS back in order to balance the budget. This just scares the heck out of me, as they are understaffed and underfunded now.
EBJ: Hypocritical is the perfect word for it.
Good Morning CPGEM..morning MEK-FORETEEN! :D
GOLDIE!!! I saw you..I really did..I hope you are having a good day so far! :)
JODI: I saw you too..nice pic!! I did cover you up when Mr Z walked by though.. ;)
And a little march for TINKA..
TINA - Your blog has been heavy on my heart all morning. It hit very close to home. I am pro choice and always will be. I was raped when I was 17 and there was NOT the technology 26 years ago for me to do anything about the conception. I did, however, have an abortion. It was NOT my choice to become pregnant, but I just couldn't carry that child to term. I will forever be thankful that I had the LEGAL right to do so. I may not always agree with why someone chooses, but that is between them and their God. I also have a hard time understanding anyone who would kill a doctor in the name of being pro life!! They truly are hypocrites in my book.
LYNN D - You brought up many of the things that I was thinking. Thank you!!
ZONA - So sorry you thought you had to cover me up.....Good grief, my daisies weren't showing!!!
Waving a wing @ EVERYONE today.
I will understand if you don't want anything further to do with me. I just couldn't keep silent anymore.
GOOD DAY OWLETTES!!!!
Tina congrats on 1st...
and wow ...what a blog today....
I need to say hello to all first... Tina!!...
ITEACH welcome to summer break... enjoy it .. you sooooo deserve it!!!
Goldie..short and to the point beautifully written..
LynnD...I agree with soo much of what you said... you write so well.. I can thoughts like that and never be able to put it on paper like that!!!!
Carol... {{{{{{HUGS}}}}}} just because..
Schrishy...Thinking of you every day!!!
EBJ...morning ... Friday will be a good day...
MEK...Love ya..
Zona... lol@ covering her up when MrZ walked by... they are impressive!!!
Jodi... LOVE the rack shot.. I knew you wouldn't disappoint!!!!
And Jodi.. I love ya still....
I too like everyone else can't understand how this man so against death of the babies... could think killing a man was accepable..
and in a place where you would think you are safe... I can't believe he did it in a church.. it boogles my mind... just boogles it...
Jodi huge ((((HUGS))) to you.
*ATTENTION KMART SHOPPERS*
My previous post had NOTHING to do with ZONA!!
I really have had fun with the necklace this week. I've worn it to Kwik Trip, the races, baseball games, a band concert (and it was totally fabulous!! My band director is retiring this year after teaching in the Oregon School District 34 years. It was an emotional concert and send off for Mr. Spiwak!!). I am planning on wearing it to Sam's Orchestra Concert tonight. I have loved wearing the necklace....I feel like I've taken all of you with me this week!!!
JODI: I love you my friend.
G'morning IBB!
IBB & EBJ - Thanks for the hugs. I knew I could share here and (hopefully) not be judged!!
ZONA - LUV U MORE!!
TINA - And I really did follow the rules of the book....ijs!!!
ITEACH - Sounds like you had a very peaceful start to your summer vacation. ENJOY!!!
Jodi I love you too. Thank you for not being silent. Sometimes keeping silent is just as hard as sharing. Your courage helps with other people (like myself) who have wrestled with a lot of past baggage that is hard to share.
We are off the the library and then the video store.
It is a gorgeous day here in Illinois. I love that I haven't even had to think about putting my air on.
Jodi what will you being doing today?
Jodi, I've never been in your shoes, so I could never judge. I am just grateful you didn't have to go to some quack with a coat hanger.
I've really enjoyed seeing the necklace pictures too! I had it early on, and just last night looked at the pics I took of Paula wearing it.
I'm so glad I got it when I did, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten that picture.
ITEACH - I am working on laundry, then I have to shower and go to a wake. The guy that played taps @ my brother's funeral (he was also the one that wrote a poem that we had engraved on the back of Dale's stone) his father died and I'm going to the wake this afternoon. I am then going to Sam's Orchestra concert tonight. Tomorrow I am planting some geraniums that I purchased from my niece and nephew thru the band, and also planting the rose bush I got from my kids for Mother's Day. And I too love that we haven't had to turn the air on yet!!
I had posted the following in Area 51. Thought I'd repost here.....inquiring minds want to know!!
SACBARB - Why thank you....I didn't know you luv'd my rack!!!
ITEACH - Never heard them referred to as birdhouses before.....thanks I think!!
MO - No, they are in my zip code!!! lol!!
JUST LIN - It's all the in bra!!!
MARY - Yes, they are from mother nature!! Actually, they're not bad considering I milked 3 kids!!
TINA - Thanks for the prayers, but I'm fine!!
June 3, 2009 8:24 AM
ITEACH - Thank you....luv u 2!!!
Happy Wednesday Owls.
Tina, A very thought provoking blog today. I have mixed feelings about abortion, but basically I am pro choice. It isn't the stance my church takes, but I am very conflicted about making a woman carry a baby to term when the circumstances are dire. Like others, I believe the decision is only between the woman and her God.
The A/C guy should be here any minute, so I don't know if I will be back till much later. Waving a wing to all the Owls. I hope you all have a great day.
Happy WEdnesday!!
Good Morning....
Tina - thank you for your blog today - it is very thought provoking.. and mindboggling..
Goldie - what you said!!
JODI - (((HUGS))) - you know I will ALWAYS love you!!
Lynn - (((HUGS))).....
heck - (((GROUP HUG)))
waving howdy to Tina (congrats on first on your own blog!!).., Iteach, Goldie, Lynn D., cpgem, scirish, EBJ, ZOna, Jodi, IBB, and all who land..
I hope everyone has an excellent day!!
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SacBarb - you landed while i was typing..
good morning and good luck on the AC........
I'm off to take my mom to her appts and run her errands..
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Jodi, I'm sorry you had to go through that and at such a young age, too.
Bear - from area 51 - I couldn't agree more. There are some fees that could easily be increased and not impact us too much. I hate to see services cut.
OHHH, the doorbell is ringing. BBL.
MEK - Congrats on 50!! And THANK YOU!!! Luv u 2!!
SACBARB - Good luck with the a/c guy!!
SACBARB - Thank you!!
Tina Congrats on #1 even though I think it must be cheaqting since you wrote the blog.
It is a very, very thought provoking blog today. Thank you for writing it. In my opinion, the man who killed the doctor is a wacko and murderer. He is a fool and a legend in his own mind. Women need the counsel and medical services of their doctors and no one has a right to interject their own wishes onto them or terrorize them or their doctors.
Jodi Thank you for your trust in sharing your experience with us. I was in the same situation when I was young. In those days, there were no legal options. It was very scary to put my life in the hands of people I did not know, to be snuck in and out of the back door of a house I did not know, in a city I did not know. At least the procedure was performed by a retired doctor whose name we got from my mother's distant cousin who was a nurse. It was a very emotional decision to make and a very frightening experience, not only for me but for my parents as well. There was such a stigma attached to being an unwed mother in those days that it seemed like the only option. I cried over the experience for about 2 years but I still feel it was the best choice for me but a very, very difficult one.
JUST LIN - Thanks for sharing. What a scary experience. Thankfully you found a doctor that you could trust. ((((HUGS)))) to you!!!
Jodi- very couragous of you to speak about your personal experience and I applaud you for it. Being raped in itself is a horrible thing, I can not imagine being forced to carry a child from that experience. This is the reason EXACTLY that it should be OUR choice as a woman.
Oh, and for those of you who think the necklace looks good on Jodi's rack- well wait until you see the 'rack' that will be sporting it when she hands it over this weekend!! just saying it will be worth the wait.....LOL
JL big (((HUGS))) to you, too. I cannot imagine that experience.
I knew someone years ago (she was from Calif. and has since died) who was so passionate about a woman's right to choose that she would go to the demonstrations in Washington DC and march (when they tried to overturn Roe v. Wade).
She ended up opening a clinic in some remote area of Wyoming or Montana because she was so fearful of the pro-life threats.
I am not sure what happened to the clinic since she died. She opened it with a ob/gyn physician who felt the same was as she did.
The clinic was very busy from what I heard.
GOLDIE - Thank you!! And I can't wait til Saturday!!
j/l- I didn't mean to exclude you. Your experience was an awful one as well. ((Hugs to you)) Thanks for feeling that we were worthy of sharing with.
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TINA - Thank you for your thought provoking blog today. Besides murder being horrifying, I find it very hypocritical to murder in the name of pro-life.
I hope that we will find ways to eliminate the need for so many abortions. In the meantime, I would hate to see us go back to the old days of back alley butchers, which is why so many doctors were for legalizing abortions.
I love the OWL'S NEST because we can come here and be who we are and still love each other without judgement. Personally I don't think anyone died and made me God, although, I think I am next in line LOL.
Interesting blog Tina. Congrats on 1st! I liked your disclaimer.
The murder of Dr.Tiller was senseless. There are much better ways to make your views known than through violense.
Good afternoon Iteach, Goldie, Lynn D, Carol, Scirish, Mek, EBJ, Zona, Jodi, Sacbarb and Just Lin.
(((Hugs))) to Jodi and Just Lin. I'm very glad you are both here today to share your experiences with us.
I have to go in and work a half day today so I will check back later.
I would like to thank Jodi and Just Lin for being so courageous to share their stories today.
I have the utmost respect for both of you.
Slani I thought I was next in line! LMAO!
Shirley So happy to see you here today. We miss you when you're gone. Plus, we worry that you're "cooking the books" on our stats. LOL
JODI...{{{{HUGS}}}} love you
JUST LIN {{{{HUGS}}}} love you
EBJ :)
MO (((HUGS))) to you, too. :)
Jodi (((HUGS))) to you, too.
Goldie (((HUGS))) back to you.
Okay....(((GROUP HUG))))!!!!
I love group hugs!!!!!
Just Linn... LAni.... SHirley... Mo... waving wildly at you all...
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WOOOO HOOOO.... HAPPY DANCE!!!!!!
ITEACH - I am so happy to see that you are feeling a bit better. I hope you enjoy the summer. I know your husband will do very well in his career endeavors.
LYNN - Isn't it a shame that so much of society is not capable of having a civil debate, as we are here on the NEST.
CAROL - And I will say hello to YOU also.
SCIRISH - Again, it is good to hear all opinions. I hope your mom is as comfortable as is possible and you are holding up.
EBJ - I am sure you could tell us many heartbreaking stories.
ZONA - LOL @ "I did cover you up when Mr Z walked by through.. ;)"
JODI - Of course you are still loved. XOXOXO Hugs to Sam for tonight.
GOLDIE - Hope you have an idiot free week. :)
BARB - Do you suppose you could get one of your hunks to wear the travelling necklace? ;)
MEK - Are there any training classes this week?
IBB - Do you think you could get one of the bears to wear the necklace?
SLIN - I hope we can puzzle tonight.
SHIRLEY - I hope things are looking a little better today. You are never far from my thoughts.
Good day all!
I have not read all the comments. I got as far as Jodie's and had to reply to her. Jodi I came close to being raped myself. I personally don't believe in abortion, but I can't honestly say what I would have done in your position. I for one will not judge your decision. I love you, big hooters and all! :)
bbl have to finish reading
Lani the bears aren't there long enough to get a picture... let alone Do "wardrobe and sittings"!!!
The delete was mine.. I totally butchered the english language in that post
Good morning to MO. You popped in while I was typing.
MARY - Now I see you. Good morning, or rather afternoon. Are you feeling rested?
I guess I better go take a bath and get dressed.
JL, thanks for sharing. I love this place!
I was 15 when a group of college boys took me for a ride. I was such a green horn. I was never told the "facts of life" as s-e-x was taboo at our house.
The guys told me they were just taking me for a ride. I was flattered at their attention.I had no clue what they had in mind! Thank God one of them took pity on me and protected me from what I now know would have been a "gang rape!"
I hope parents are discussing the "facts of life" to their children now!
Hi Lani!! I see you too!
MO - Thanks for the (((HUGS)))!!
MARY - Glad that you still accept me.....HOOTERS and all!
LANI - Thanks....luv u 2!! And I'll be sure to tell Sam. :O)
Mary How brave of the one boy for standing up against his friends. I'm so glad he did that for you.
Okay, got to go to an appointment.
Umm, excuse me, excuse me--can I get in this group hug? Scoot over Lani and make room--thanks! Whew, I didn't want to miss that hug.
Thank you Jodi, J/L and Mary for sharing your stories with us.
Hi DIANNE - And yes, you were right regarding your Georgina picture comment.
TINA, interesting and thought provoking blog. I think what happened to Dr Tiller was awful. I have some mixed opinions on the death penalty and I think abortion is a pro-choice issue. It is easy for me to have an opinion on these issues until I think of it being my family that was raped or killed and then my ideas change in a minute. Thanks for everyone's opinions as it interesting to read.
I FINALLY got my office and closet cleaned very late last night. Now I only have the rest of the closets to go--some day
Afternoon Owls!
It is hot as heck here again today about 90 in the shade. Very weird weather for May and early June in the NW. I think it is making me a bit cranky and weepy.
I have read everyones comments and I want to say Scrishy you finished were I left off. I agonize about all of the neglected children all the time.
Jodi, Justlin and Mary I am so glad you are all here to tell your stories. We need to hear them as they take the monster out of closet and makes us face the real human experiences behind this issue. I so respect all of you! Crap now I am crying again.
Thank you to all of the lovely people here for being respectful of each other it helps heal my soul.
I am going to go lay in front of the fan for awhile. ((((Hugs)))
You owls are so smart! ♥♥♥
I did not read all the comments just skimmed.
Lynnd.. Your comments always put things into perspective..
Jodi.. Your courage to share is welcoming.. It is always good to hear reasons why.. TY
J/L.. Your courage as well blew me away.. TY
Dianne.. Loved you getting in on the group hug, brought a smile to my face..
Shirley.. thanks for the stats, you are a good statkeeper.. I really do need to write more blogs tho.. lol
iteach.. so glad you are rested and feeling ok, missed you so very much..
Zona.. Happy Blue just cause..
Mary.. I had the same circumstance happen to me twice, it was not with many boys, just one, however different ones, and each time, I was lucky enough that someone walked in, I was able to get away, I surly don't know what would have happen if I was not able to get away..
Tina.. I am for abortion, as I believe a women should have a choice. I am also for the death penalty as if you kill you should be killed.. However to kill and killer makes no sense at all. Sad really..
Many years ago my cousin became pregnant, for circumstances she had to have the pregnancy terminated, I went with her, it was a hard decision but she had to do it.. I am glad I was there for her as she could not do it alone. There are no regrets, we both know he had to be done.. She has had a child since then, and is happily married.. It just was not meant to be..
I forgot to say..
I remember those two incidents like it was yesterday, I was so frighten, I tried to get away on my own, but the hold was to strong, I remember their breath on mine, the sick feeling in my stomach, the urge to run but could not. What I remember most was the blackness that over took my mind, it was like I was somewhere else, I guess it was my mind hoping I was someplace else..
BTW, had to go to the hunky eye dr. He makes my heart/everything patter. He is a mtn climber and I told him to be careful and he said"I promise" (sigh). ZONA,I think he could take John Elways place in my little heart. Lucky for me that my eye kind of hurts and I have to go back in two months I am a sick puppy,aren't I?
I will c u all later 2nite..
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JodiHO!
BTW..
Nice Rack ;O)
CAROL - ((((HUGS)))) to you. I know exactly how you felt.
CAROL - Thanks.....like I said to SLIN in Area 51....it's all in the bra!!!
LYNN D - Passing a tissue to you....I've used quite a few myself today.
DIANNE - Thanks ..... now will you come and help me?!!?
Tina Congrats on first and great blog.
Hello all. I hope everyone is doing well!
Hello to Tina, iteach, goldie, LynnD, scrishy, mek, ebj, Jodi, Carol, Dianne, zona, shirley, goldie and probably some I missed. I am going to read comments now so I will be back if I missed anyone.
I am EXHAUSTED...I have been doing Yoga and I love it, but it wears my old body out! ha!
Yoga, I have always wanted to try it. Bebbi, what do you think of it?
Ope...hello Mary and Lani, I knew I would miss some. Still reading...
iteach, I really like it! It is hard and some of the poses I am not the best at. I surprised the yoga instructor today because we did headstands and she was talking about how long it took her to get in one. she is really tall. Well, after she instructed us, she turned to me and I went right up..haha. I used to love headstands as a kid and when I was younger, so it was so easy. I have a hard time with my quads and hamstrings..they scream at me in some of the poses. And, I have a hard time with cobra pose because it takes a lot of upper body strength. I kind of just flop into it..haha..it's pretty funny.
I have been doing it for about 6 or 7 weeks now.
Mary, You were very lucky that someone protected you in that situation!!
Someone close to me had to have an abortion. I was about 10 years old. In Indiana, it was illegal. They drove to New York and got it done. On the way back, she almost bled to death. Thank goodness she survived. Personally, for me, abortion is not something I could consider. BUT, I am so thankful that now my daughter and all the women in my life can make that decision rather than the one that almost cost me someone dear to me. It is a choice and women shouldn't have to choose to drive across the country or use a coat hangar if they do not want a child brought into the world. They should be able to do it early and with discretion.
Tina: Very courageous blog, and I loved it!
As somebody who doesn't believe that our actions are subject to judgment after death, abortion is a tricky issue with me. I can't help but feel that there is some nugget of truth in your point, that the choice is back at whether to have sex or not.
And yet, I am firmly opposed to governments actively limiting the availability of abortions. I basically feel about a fetus about what Benjamin Franklin felt about newborn babies (of what use are they?), so a fetus doesn't have any intrinsic worth or importance: it only has "reflected importance", from human beings (like the Father and Mother) who care about the fetus because they are trying to bring a baby into the world. Then the fetus (and newborn) does have intrinsic worth and importance... in fact, oodles of both, just as it should.
But if neither the mother, the father, nor anyone else has a vested interest in the fetus, I don't believe the state should put a positive value on it, and the state should take no action to protect it.
One thing is sure: I don't believe that the fact that our country permits abortions is going to bring down the wrath of an apoplectic deity on our collective shoulders, because some kind of huge negative collective debt is being generated by the abortions performed now.
Having stated that rather predictable liberal position, I do want to say this, as well. I was never personally in a position of having the prospect of an unwanted child. I would hope that if I had been, I would actually have taken Tina's position, that I made my decision when I had the unprotected sex, and therefore kept the baby.
It would be pretty nifty, I think, as I enter my early 50's, to have a son or daughter in my life!
Owls, is there no way to persuade others that they should not have abortions, but just by argument and example and dialog, rather than by getting the government involved? Could the power of persuasion alone eventually evolve society into a place where where abortions are legal, but rare?
Are we still hugging or groping? I guess I missed it.
J/L, That is the second thing I feel honored that you have shared with us. It is sad that it wasn't made legal earlier than it was. You were lucky that you didn't go to a butcher. Too many women suffered severe consequences before abortion was made legal.
Lani, If you come to Sac with the necklace, I will find a hunk to wear (or at least model) it. But if you really want a bear to wear it, you don't live that far from Whabbear. Maybe he will wear it.
Zona, (((HUGS)))
MEK, (((HUGS))) to you too.
Yayyyyyy! I have cool air. He wants it to run for at least 30 minutes before he leaves so he can be sure all is OK.
Such powerful, raw, heartfelt and revealing blog / comments today.
How lucky are we that we have a place to feel safe and free to express our opinions, truths and feelings.
You are an amazing group of people.
Bless you all
Mo,
I agree with ya! Great words..
Sacbarb,
Glad you are getting cooled off, it must feel pretty "kewl" :O)
Bebbi,
So very good to see ya, I did yoga once, I did like it, however I did not like where the class was so I
stopped doing it.. He is def good for stretching those muscles..
Oh crap.. he should be it..
Unless you want a he to stretch your muscles then its fine..
:O)
No whabby, In this case I don't think power of persuasion would work, It is def a good thought, and one that would be great to see.
Jodi..
Thxs and right back attcha..
:O)
I am off to bed.. c u all tomorrow..
:O)
MO - i second your comment..
This nest is full of AMAZING people!!!
cpgem - nite, nite!!
BARB - Let me call you on your offer. When the necklace has finished circulating I wll ask SANDIE if I may borrow it and I'll be up to Sac.;)
BTW, What did you and Mr. AC do during the 30 min. while you were testing the AC???
Lani, If you recall, Mr. A/C was not the hunky one, so we did nothing... together that is. I was checking my email, I'm not sure was he was doing.
Probably true, Carol. Oh well, we can dream...
We are having a crazy thunder and lightening storm so I am going to shut down. Sweet dreams to you all.
Is it safe to come out now?
I really don't know where to start~ You are all amazing people and I want to thank you for your wonderful, kind, and heartfelt posts.
LynnD~ When I read about this on Sunday, I immediately thought of you. And when you were so upset on Monday, I knew I was right to be~ I hope just talking about it helped~
Jodi, J/L, and Mary~ I really don't know what to say except it was very brave of you post your stories here today~ giant hugs for all of you~...wait...i think I remember a group grope....that too!~
Bear~ fabulous post..LOVED it...thank you~
Di~ YOU CLEANED?!!!!! Who's coming over? (I cleaned the other night and hubby asked me that! The nerve!)
I've got to get to bed....but I really want all of you to know I really appreciate every one of you~
Tina I want you to know that I really appreciate you, too. : )
SacBarb That was a very nice thing for you to say. Thank you.
I'm calling it a night. Sweet dreams, HOoters!
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to you all!!!!
xoxoxoxoxoxoxo
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